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mr1
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retrodiem
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 Posted - 11/24/2008 : 20:14:06
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mr1
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 00:34:33
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There is also a WD 320GB drive available. Will XPP and my 5010 be able to handle either of these, any known issues? I could really use a little info here, thanks.
Thanks retrodiem, I want a similar experience on a larger scale.
MR1
5010D-60G HD,1GB RAM XPP
12/2005 P1510 30GB (Upgraded to 60GB HD)1GB Ram XPT BT Portreplicator |
Edited by - mr1 on 11/25/2008 00:35:44 |
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tmt
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 08:00:44
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The hardware will have no trouble with any standard 44-pin 2.5" drive. I'm fairly
sure the BIOS will work fine on large drives, but even if it doesn't, as long as you
have a partition <137GB at the front of the drive for the system, then XP will have
no trouble addressing the rest. Since 20GB or so is more than enough for that, I think
you won't even notice.
Go for it!
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mr1
Average Member
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 13:33:09
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Thanks Tom. Now I just have to decide how big a pig I want to be. With prices so low I just may go with the 320gb drive for less than $100.
MR1
5010D-60G HD,1GB RAM XPP
12/2005 P1510 30GB (Upgraded to 60GB HD)1GB Ram XPT BT Portreplicator |
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tmt
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 21:46:47
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An advantage of larger drives is that their bit density is higher, so the data rate
is higher for a given platter size and rotational speed. Bigger = faster, in other words.
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EB1
Average Member
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 00:10:44
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I don't know of any 320GB PATA drives. The largest is the WD2500BEVE 250GB drive mentioned. I tried 160GB drives in the 5010D years ago and was not able to see the capacity over 137GB.
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tmt
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 07:57:03
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You need to install XP SP1 or better, with the 48-bit lba ide driver. It's possible that
the Fujitsu recovery disk doesn't have this support, and the RTM XP cd certainly didn't.
But, booting and installing from a more recent cd will. I don't have a large PATA disk to
try in mine though.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303013
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mr1
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 11:59:55
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quote:
Originally posted by EB1
I don't know of any 320GB PATA drives. The largest is the WD2500BEVE 250GB drive mentioned. I tried 160GB drives in the 5010D years ago and was not able to see the capacity over 137GB.
EB
Take a look here. Will these work? Note that these drives are available with up to 500gb capacity. I found a site that has them but I want to make sure that I order the correct one. Prices of ~$100 are tempting but the 5010D is getting a little old. Thanks for your comments.
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=377
MR1
5010D-60G HD,1GB RAM XPP
12/2005 P1510 30GB (Upgraded to 60GB HD)1GB Ram XPT BT Portreplicator |
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tmt
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 14:15:00
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The "EIDE" model will work. The two "SATA" models will not.
EB1 is right, 250GB max in the necessary model.
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mr1
Average Member
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 18:51:08
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See, I knew I needed you guys! 250GB it is.
MR1
5010D-60G HD,1GB RAM XPP
12/2005 P1510 30GB (Upgraded to 60GB HD)1GB Ram XPT BT Portreplicator |
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nathanaa
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 11/28/2008 : 23:46:04
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Glad I saw this thread, I'm in a similar situation regarding hard drives.
I'm wondering if I am correctly understanding this discussion - my P5020 is in need of a new HDD, as the horrific clicking noise it is making does not bode well for its near future. I've got all my data backed up, DISE image made and a copy stored on an external HDD. Now I want to get a new drive.
So, do I understand correctly that the largest capacity hard drive that my 5020 running XPP SP3 is 250gigs? I admit I'm not a hardware or software expert, so I'm curious as to why there is a limitation on how much the OS can "see". However, if there is a limit of some kind, I would appreciate that clarification so I don't buy more than I need or can use.
Thanks for any input.
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P5020D / XPP / 1GB RAM / 5k80 80GB HDD
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EB1
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Posted - 11/29/2008 : 12:59:20
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250GB is not a hardware limitiation per se, but no PATA (EIDE) drives larger than that are manufactured. It was a pleasant surprise that WD even bothered to produce one. The PATA drive interface is now obsolete, so the newer, larger hard drive models are all SATA. You will be able to find some PATA drives around for a few more years, but eventually they will no longer be manufactured.
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tmt
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Posted - 11/29/2008 : 15:09:29
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Originally posted by nathanaa
I'm curious as to why there is a limitation on how much the OS can "see".
To answer this part, the problem isn't the OS. As I mentioned above, XP SP1 and any
other modern OS can address the full extent of the large drives.
The problem is that older BIOSes often are unable to issue large enough disk commands
to address the full drive. However, this is only a problem during boot, when the BIOS
is active. So, careful layout of the bootable system partition, and running the correct
OS and drivers, can easily solve it.
Lots of info online about this, much of it here on this forum. If you're concerned, search.
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DigitalNoob
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 12/13/2008 : 11:46:06
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Hi all -
I thought I'd ask here, rather than start a whole new thread. I searched for the info, but most of the links I found were dead. My hard drive died, so I may as well upgrade to a larger one.
The problem is that this is my first major surgery on my beloved 5020D. I remember a long while back, a page that showed photos of the 5020 internals, with instructions for keyboard, screen, hard drive, memory, etc., replacement or repair.
Did I imagine this page? If anyone still has the link, I'd appreciate it. I would especially like to see if I can wake up the old drive by re-seating the motherboard cable, but I haven't a clue how to even properly open the machine. :(
I love this laptop so much, that my new one gets left home, so it might be worth it to upgrade her to a bigger HD, Wireless G, more memory and (ugh) Win Vista.
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tmt
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Posted - 12/13/2008 : 12:15:18
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You're thinking of the "Visible P": http://www.gtba.net/lifebook/visible/P5000.htm
This shows the P5010, but the P5020 is very similar.
The larger hard drive is easy. Newer wireless is easy too, look for a MiniPCI card
form factor, not Mini PCIexpress. You don't even have to dismantle the machine for
either mod, just remove the bottom panel.
Memory is only a tiny bit harder, you remove three screws under the battery, which
allows the trim strip at the top of the keyboard to pop off. Then, lift the keyboard
to reveal the one SO-DIMM. You can upgrade to 1GB max.
I don't recommend Vista on this machine. It's a little slow for Vista, especially
the memory. And 1GB is on the tight side for it. Stick with XP, or run Linux.
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DigitalNoob
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Posted - 12/13/2008 : 14:02:00
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Hey Tom, thanks for the speedy reply, plentiful info and the link. That was the one I remembered alright - great! I upgraded the memory when I first got it, so that isn't a trauma. Good to know the wireless is in the same area. It's mainly that motherboard cable to the drive that gave me the jitters.
I can definitely live without Vista, since it's such a pain anyway. For now, I'll stick with XP Pro, which is what's on the old drive now. I may make the 5020 a Linux box, once I can bear to leave it at home and take the other machine when I travel.
And if the only issue with the old drive is that cable, I can use it in an enclosure for backup and such. I've already searched and found suggestions here and other threads for which upgrade drives and memory will work best. Just have to settle on a wireless card and I'll be ready for some shopping!
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nathanaa
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 12/17/2008 : 15:41:35
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Ok, I'm hoping some of you folks here can provide me with some rather specific directions.
I thought I needed to replace my hard drive on my P5020D due to the horrific clicking noise it occasionally started making several months ago, which had progressed to a daily event, also including a sickening grinding noise in the last couple weeks.
I borrowed a few bucks from my brother and bought the WD 250gig PATA drive talked about in this thread, and a USB enclosure. I tried to use the XXClone program to make a clone, but it kept failing and the company never replied to my questions as to what I was doing wrong (I have the freeware version).
I then found what I thought would be a good guide here:
http://www.leog.net/fujp_forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=10088
Yes, I know it was for a P1120 but it seemed pretty straight forward and I thought it would likely work for my P5020D as well. I do not have a factory image anymore (accidentally got deleted from my backup external HDD a couple years ago), but I do have my personal backup images going back 5 years, and I made a new one just a couple weeks ago in preparation for this effort.
Anyway, on the other page, MrMisanthrope's steps are what I was following. I'm pretty sure I did #1-#4 properly. When I got to step #5, I plugged in my USB external LS120 floppy drive and tried to load the DISE Recovery Floppy discs I made way back when I first got my P.
Nothing happens. I get a message that says "NTLDR is missing. Press Ctrl/Alt/Del to restart."
When I go into the boot record and make the Floppy drive the primary boot device, I get a message that says "Device not recognized".
So now I have no idea what to do.
AND - on top of all that, I've got the new drive installed (did it myself) and what did I hear the very first time I turned the power on? The same grinding/clicking noise, coming from the front left corner of the laaptop. When I tap it a bit it seems to make it a bit less horrible and seems to make it stop faster. It usually would stop within about 30 seconds once it had begun making the noise, and upon start up usually within a minute.
So now it would seem it is not the hard drive that the noise is coming from. I have no idea what else it could be? I also am lost as to where to go with continuing reinstalling my DISE backup.
I would greatly appreciate any help. I'm no computer technician or programmer, so please keep the technical jargon at the "Idiots Guide to..." level.
I suppose I could put the old drive back in, as that seems to NOT have been the original problem. However, the larger drive is much more useful to me of course; not that another external drive that large wouldn't be useful, but putting the old 80gig back in would not really solve either of my current concerns (but it would get my P up and running again, I realize).
Thank you in advance to any and all help.
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EB1
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Posted - 12/17/2008 : 19:10:27
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tmt
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Posted - 12/17/2008 : 19:53:40
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Definitely the fan. You can sort of see it through the little grille at the left side
of the machine, directly below the capslock and shift keys. It's probably a bearing
gone bad, but it's worth a look for debris.
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tmt
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Posted - 12/17/2008 : 20:15:56
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quote:
Originally posted by nathanaa
Nothing happens. I get a message that says "NTLDR is missing. Press Ctrl/Alt/Del to restart."
When I go into the boot record and make the Floppy drive the primary boot device, I get a message that says "Device not recognized".
Do you have "legacy USB" and "scsi subclass support" enabled in the BIOS->advanced->USB?
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nathanaa
Junior Member
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Posted - 12/18/2008 : 03:18:58
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Well, I checked the fan for debris but didn't see anything. I blew some air through it, then thought to remove the bottom plate and do it again, there is a small opening from the fan area for stuff to maybe get blown out.
>Do you have "legacy USB" and "scsi subclass support" enabled in the BIOS->advanced->USB?
I do now.
I'm going to try a few other things suggested as well as give the (hopefully) now-working USB floppy a whirl. I'll update tomorrow, and other advice, please toss it out there folks, and thanks for the help so far.
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praab
Starting Member
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Posted - 01/30/2009 : 13:16:52
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Thanks for the memory upgrade information!
I have aready upgraded to a 250GB HD on my P5010D.
Yes there is a 137 GB limitation.
It took me a couple of tries to get it right.
The process that worked for me was that I cloned my old drive to the new drive using Norton Ghost. I limited the first partition to 100GB and the second I increased to 20GB. The 20 gb partition is the OEM restore files. This left 120GB unformated free space. After the process was done, I ran Norton Partition Magic and created the third partition and formated it to hold 120GB. Works just fine now. Still running XP sp3.
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